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	<title>Commentaires sur : Malheur à Malheur</title>
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		<title>Par : Dean</title>
		<link>https://blogue.septentrion.qc.ca/dean-louder/2016/01/07/malheur-a-malheur/#comment-432</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2016 20:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Merci, Rob, tes ajouts apportent de l&#039;eau au moulin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merci, Rob, tes ajouts apportent de l&rsquo;eau au moulin.</p>
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		<title>Par : Robert Foxcurran</title>
		<link>https://blogue.septentrion.qc.ca/dean-louder/2016/01/07/malheur-a-malheur/#comment-429</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Foxcurran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2016 17:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice job, Dean.  Well stated. Two points: 

(1) origins of the naming of the Malheur River, and then Lake, County and National Forest and Wild Life Reserves.  The story according to the Oregon Historical Society&#039;s Oregon Geographic Names authored by L.A. &amp; L.L. MacArthur cites the Hudson&#039;s Bay Company Journal of Peter Skeen Ogden. &quot;Tuesday, Feb 14, 1826 We camped on River au Malheur (unfortunate river) so called on account of property and furs having been hid here formerly, discovered and stolen by natives.&quot;  The MacArthurs go on, clarifying  &quot;The literal translation of the French malheur is &quot;bad fortune,&quot; a term used by the French Canadian hunters after they discovered their cache had been rifled.&quot;

Note that another Oregon River in a more heavily frequented part of Oregon had also acquired a name associated with negative Canadien-Native incidents,  La Riviere aux Coquins.  However, this river was soon thereafter translated by the Americans to Rogue River, made infamous by two wars in 1852 &amp;1855-56, and then nowadays, by a much appreciated brewery of that name.
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(2) origins of the name Rodriq/gue -  Intermarriage with tribal members of &#039;immigrants canadiens&#039; from the east has gone on for over two centuries. More recently, over the last sixty years Mexican Americans entering via California, have also been marrying into the tribes.  I have come across no Rodrigue in the first several generations of Canadien emigrants of the northern Latino sort, but then I have never made it this deep into Oregon&#039;s Indian Country either.

Rob  Fx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice job, Dean.  Well stated. Two points: </p>
<p>(1) origins of the naming of the Malheur River, and then Lake, County and National Forest and Wild Life Reserves.  The story according to the Oregon Historical Society&rsquo;s Oregon Geographic Names authored by L.A. &amp; L.L. MacArthur cites the Hudson&rsquo;s Bay Company Journal of Peter Skeen Ogden. &laquo;&nbsp;Tuesday, Feb 14, 1826 We camped on River au Malheur (unfortunate river) so called on account of property and furs having been hid here formerly, discovered and stolen by natives.&nbsp;&raquo;  The MacArthurs go on, clarifying  &laquo;&nbsp;The literal translation of the French malheur is &laquo;&nbsp;bad fortune,&nbsp;&raquo; a term used by the French Canadian hunters after they discovered their cache had been rifled.&nbsp;&raquo;</p>
<p>Note that another Oregon River in a more heavily frequented part of Oregon had also acquired a name associated with negative Canadien-Native incidents,  La Riviere aux Coquins.  However, this river was soon thereafter translated by the Americans to Rogue River, made infamous by two wars in 1852 &amp;1855-56, and then nowadays, by a much appreciated brewery of that name.<br />
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<p>(2) origins of the name Rodriq/gue &#8211;  Intermarriage with tribal members of &lsquo;immigrants canadiens&rsquo; from the east has gone on for over two centuries. More recently, over the last sixty years Mexican Americans entering via California, have also been marrying into the tribes.  I have come across no Rodrigue in the first several generations of Canadien emigrants of the northern Latino sort, but then I have never made it this deep into Oregon&rsquo;s Indian Country either.</p>
<p>Rob  Fx</p>
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		<title>Par : Sebastien</title>
		<link>https://blogue.septentrion.qc.ca/dean-louder/2016/01/07/malheur-a-malheur/#comment-428</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2016 22:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[je viens de voir votre post sur Facebook ... oups !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>je viens de voir votre post sur Facebook &#8230; oups !</p>
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		<title>Par : Sebastien</title>
		<link>https://blogue.septentrion.qc.ca/dean-louder/2016/01/07/malheur-a-malheur/#comment-427</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2016 22:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Coïncidences? 
Publié au Devoir aujourd&#039;hui : http://www.ledevoir.com/culture/actualites-culturelles/459479/en-croisant-toussaint-charbonneau-au-cinema]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coïncidences?<br />
Publié au Devoir aujourd&rsquo;hui : <a href="http://www.ledevoir.com/culture/actualites-culturelles/459479/en-croisant-toussaint-charbonneau-au-cinema" rel="nofollow">http://www.ledevoir.com/culture/actualites-culturelles/459479/en-croisant-toussaint-charbonneau-au-cinema</a></p>
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